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The transcript below outlines a discussion with Senator Jeanne Shaheen from New Hampshire, who is the senior Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, as featured on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on February 16, 2025.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator Shaheen, thank you for joining us from the Munich Security Conference. You recently shared the stage with Ukraine’s President Zelenskyy, where the future of U.S.-Ukraine security cooperation was a key topic. President Zelenskyy expressed hope that President Trump could assist Ukraine in its conflict with Russia. In your view, can Congress, and particularly senators like yourself, ensure continued U.S. support for Ukraine?
SEN. JEANNE SHAHEEN: Absolutely. During our panel with President Zelenskyy, there was strong bipartisan agreement among both Democrats and Republicans in supporting Ukraine’s fight against Russia. All of us recognize the critical need to hold Vladimir Putin accountable and to boost Ukraine’s position before any negotiations commence to resolve the conflict.
MARGARET BRENNAN: There have been mixed signals recently, particularly from President Trump and his Defense Secretary regarding possible concessions to Russia. The Defense Secretary has commented that it might be unrealistic to expect Ukraine to reclaim its territory as it was before 2014. What do you think about these remarks suggesting concessions might come before negotiations?
SEN. SHAHEEN: The administration’s messaging has indeed been inconsistent. While Secretary Hegseth indicated that NATO might not be an option and suggested territorial compromises, Vice President Vance spoke at the conference about considering a range of options, including potential military involvement. It’s crucial that we provide unwavering support for Ukraine during this tumultuous time.
MARGARET BRENNAN: What role can Congress play in this situation? Are there efforts to include support for Ukraine in upcoming defense legislation?
SEN. SHAHEEN: That’s definitely one pathway. Congress is actively discussing measures that may involve seizing Russian assets held in the U.S. and Europe, redirecting those resources to support Ukraine’s military efforts and reconstruction post-war. There is bipartisan backing for these initiatives since Russia’s actions have instigated this crisis, and accountability is essential.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Your Republican colleague, Senator Roger Wicker, expressed strong discontent with the comments made by the Defense Secretary concerning Ukraine. He drew comparisons between Putin’s aggression and tactics reminiscent of historical dictators like Hitler. In light of this, how do you view the administration’s approach of seeking dialogue with Putin?
SEN. SHAHEEN: Senator Wicker’s comments reflect justified concern. Bipartisan consensus exists in Congress on the necessity of supporting Ukraine in this unjust conflict. It’s critical to convey to the global community that we will hold Putin and Russia responsible for their actions.
MARGARET BRENNAN: What have you heard from European leaders during the conference regarding their perception of American foreign policy and commitment to Ukraine?
SEN. SHAHEEN: The Munich Security Conference brings together leaders from across the globe, and European officials have voiced significant apprehension about the U.S. stance on Ukraine. During discussions with President Zelenskyy, we emphasized that Europe and the U.S. must present a united front against Putin, employing sanctions and ensuring cooperation without any division among NATO allies. It’s paramount that we demonstrate our collective support for Ukraine.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Regarding President Trump’s intention to acquire critical minerals located in Ukraine as a form of repayment for U.S. military support, what are your thoughts on Congress’s role in approving such a deal?
SEN. SHAHEEN: There could be strategic benefits to involving U.S. investments in Ukraine, especially in minerals. However, the ownership of these resources is complex—some are controlled by oligarchs or are located in regions under Russian control. Details around ownership and agreements are still unclear, and it’s crucial to ensure Ukraine’s interests are prioritized in any arrangements.
MARGARET BRENNAN: During your interactions, has there been a consensus on making sure Ukraine is included in negotiations about its future?
SEN. SHAHEEN: Absolutely. One of the key messages from our discussions with President Zelenskyy was the principle of “nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine.” Senators underscored their commitment to ensuring Ukraine is integral to any negotiations involving its future.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Recently, some in the administration have argued that Europe needs to take more initiative in its own defense. Senator Lindsey Graham framed the concern over Trump’s calls with Putin in a historical context. How do you feel about the assertion that if there was real concern about security, earlier actions could have been taken?
SEN. SHAHEEN: Hindsight reveals that more could have been done earlier. In 2014, I advocated for providing lethal assistance to Ukraine. We must now focus on concrete actions to prevent tyrannies from invading sovereign nations and set a precedent that neither Russia nor any other oppressive regime can act without consequence.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Shifting focus to China, you raised alarms about how Trump’s proposed buyout program could endanger strategic naval operations at a shipyard crucial for servicing U.S. nuclear submarines. What sort of response have you received from the Navy regarding this matter?
SEN. SHAHEEN: We have yet to receive a response. There’s considerable concern regarding the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, which maintains vital naval capabilities. Given the threats posed by China, safeguarding and adequately funding our shipyards is crucial for maintaining a competitive edge in naval power.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Lastly, there have been calls for a freeze on foreign assistance. Do you believe this is in the nation’s best interest at this time?
SEN. SHAHEEN: Prompt action is essential to reinstate our diplomatic efforts globally. The halt in foreign assistance programs undermines progress we’ve made and creates a void that could be exploited by rivals like China and Russia. The quick establishment of our foreign aid programs is vital for continued cooperation and stability.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Thank you for sharing your insights today, Senator Shaheen.
SEN. SHAHEEN: Thank you.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We’ll be right back.
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